Hermès: a haudenschild Garage project with MARK BRADFORD

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3.9.2013 conversation with Mark and Hermès

The Bradford Studio, Los Angeles, CA

Well…so after what you’ve told me this week what I’ve noticed and thought about the most is that there are so many different psychological parts to this woman. My god, I mean where to begin…this is a 26 year old, very pointed relationship with well thought through attacks on a woman who was the opposite of her. I see she gravitated in a weird way to Eloisa because Eloisa is very maternal. She takes people in – people, they love Eloisa, her family loves Eloisa, her husband loves Eloisa, her community loves her. It’s beautiful. Everything you described about this woman is that she’s not a beautiful woman inside or out. She was not loved. She put her mother in a tent – that’s the opposite of love. The woman who brought you into this world is put in a tent. At the same time, Eloisa’s daughter Rita is having her wedding in the home she was born in and this woman next door puts her mother in a tent. I find that kind of interesting as a paradox. And Eloisa has the haudenschild Garage to bring people together. So in a way it’s interesting because Eloisa had a home but also had the Garage and in another way this woman had a home and had a mobile home. So again I see an interesting parallel between the two. I also see a lot of mirroring and how in a way this woman was attracted to her neighbor and to her family and to who Eloisa was. I can also see she was so bitter that she wanted to tear it down – I find that strange. And what I also find strange about what you were telling me is that the neighbor was so private and personal. You said that woman said to Eloisa, “you don’t like me, you should talk to the neighbors about me.” So that implies that she knew exactly how to manipulate other people. So I wondered what her neighbors thought? Maybe that Eloisa was making some of it up and I wonder what people thought of her medical practice? These attacks were something very particular to Eloisa’s family. I don’t know why I say Eloisa, it could have been the whole family. I have a feeling that it was more Eloisa. I think in some ways the woman saw a mirror image of what she could have been. Her house, full of loneliness and sorrow, every one of the pictures you showed me looked sorrowful and lonely. Eloisa’s house is just the opposite. So it’s almost like the light exists with the shadow, but the shadow has to come out of the shadow…but it can never come out of the shadow. I think the images of the Cam4 webcam, with this kind of voyeur and exhibitionism and the psychological and private, were a good starting point. But the more I was thinking…I guess stitching more things together, I always come back to the home. What I found interesting also is that until Eloisa bought the place she only had her thoughts of what went on inside this woman’s home and the woman, I suppose, never got the chance to see what went on in Eloisa’s. But the woman was left with her thoughts about Eloisa and her property and her house and what went on in that house all in her own fantasy, all in her twisted, twisted fantasy. It’s like a web in a weird way. You give a spider LSD and have it make a web. It’s like a fractured spider’s web. You know they used to give spiders LSD in ‘60s experiments and have them make these webs and the webs were always disjointed and fragmented…and sort of catching people inside of these webs psychologically, emotionally, not necessarily physically. This idea of the web – something like what a black widow spins – is what I am thinking of. So it’s all playing on what we talked about last week and how aggressive she was. She couldn’t be aggressive physically because she couldn’t get to her physically, but what she was very good at was interrupting Eloisa’s emotional space or Eloisa’s physical space with that damn motorhome. The unease that in any moment something outside of your control will influence your day to day life is a really, really hard thing. And I think that this woman keyed into that, I think she keyed into exactly how to interrupt Eloisa and her family life, she had to study them…

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